LegalTechTalk Uncovered 2025 – Matthew Mayes – E03

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Transcript

00:00

Welcome to the Legally Speaking Podcast, Legal Tech Talk Uncovered Mini Series 2025 sponsored by Clio.

00:08

We’re back with our red mic for a behind the scenes series all about legal innovation at Europe’s largest legal tech event.

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So we’re granted access to meet some of the greatest speakers, sponsors, brands in the whole legal tech world.

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We’ve got 300 speakers with over 70 sessions with over 4,000 attendees from all across the globe hittingus here over the next two days at Legal Tech Talk live in London.

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From AI to access to justice to smart compliance, you name it, we’re covering it all.

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This isn’t just another conversation or another conference, it’s a blueprint for community and transformation.

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So buckle up, we’re speaking with some incredible people about policy change, change makers, legal innovation and so much more over and out.

00:55

Welcome to the Legally Speaking podcast, recording live here from Legal Tech Talk 2025.

01:01

Could you please kindly introduce yourself, name, title and organisation?

01:05

Robert, hello, my name is Matthew Mayes.

01:07

I am co-founder of A-dapt International and we’ve launched a product called TestMyWitness.com.

01:13

There we go.

01:14

And I loved what it was all about.

01:16

That’s why I wanted to get you on the show.

01:17

So in one sentence, what problem are you actually trying to solve in the world of law?

01:22

making witness preparation scalable.

01:24

We put emotional intelligence into deposition training, preparation, familiarisation, all for a fraction of the cost of traditional witness prep.

01:34

I love that.

01:35

And I think it’s so needed as well.

01:37

What’s one assumption about legal tech you think most people still get wrong?

01:43

I would say the big assumption is around humans.

01:47

We, if you right here, right now, there’s legal effect is changing.

01:52

It’s about AI into documentation.

01:54

What about the witnesses?

01:56

The witnesses, you win or lose cases based upon the performance of the witnesses.

02:01

Currently, witness prep is costly.

02:04

In the US, it’s about $10,000 per case.

02:08

So many people are losing the opportunity to come across well and prepare properly to give evidence.

02:14

And that’s what we do.

02:15

Yeah, and I think you’re doing a great job of it.

02:17

Many of you are pitching or you have a session today, do you want to tell people about that or what you’re pitching?

02:21

Yes, we’re thrilled to be pitching today as one of the 30 or so startups at this great event.

02:29

It’s an amazing platform for us to show our very disruptive technology that we’re introducing to the law tech space.

02:37

And somebody who’s come into the sector, working in education, is working in marketing,Learning, learning, I’m just being stood around here.

02:48

I’ve already had like 10 amazing conversations and follow-ups.

02:52

So I just love the energy.

02:54

Yeah, and that’s what it’s all about.

02:55

I always say, come to a conference, bring energy, network, be open minded.

02:58

And look, this year’s theme cuts across a few different themes.

03:01

Law and tech, evolution, revolution, access to justice, purpose driven law, collaboration and smart compliance.

03:07

Which of those speaks loudest to you right now and why?

03:10

I’d say access to justice.

03:12

If we can democratize witness preparation, we can makeconsistent, we can make it scalable, we can help people, particularly if they’re from disadvantaged backgrounds, come across better.

03:22

Obviously, it’s quite different in the UK in terms of how you can prepare witnesses.

03:27

We have a fantastic announcement in that we’re working with the UK’s leading witness familiarisation and we launchedwitness preparation in the US, which is a slightly different market.

03:37

We believe everyone should benefit from being able to come across in the best possible way when they give evidence.

03:44

Yeah, love that.

03:45

And so what’s the biggest surprise so far for you in terms of Legal Tech Talk 2025?

03:50

Well, I think the poet, Jason, sorry, Joshua, has an amazing thing this morning.

03:58

It’s very disruptive.

03:59

It’s not absolutely not what you would expect at this event.

04:03

And it’s so good.

04:04

I love the I love the energy.

04:06

Even just smoking here in the morning.

04:08

There’s a DJ just on the corner playing music to get you in the mood.

04:12

So, you know, I’ve been in like the creative sector, creative events.

04:18

This feels like a creative event.

04:20

Yeah, very much so.

04:21

And I think, you know, Bradley said himself coming from a non-legal background, but with his events background, they put on great events.

04:26

And I think this is very true to what you’re saying there as well.

04:29

Also, you coming from a different background into the legal space.

04:31

Okay, so let’s fast forward to 2030.

04:34

What do you hope will be gone and done better finally within the world of law?

04:38

Well, I’d say witness preparation.

04:40

I think it’s currently, as I said, very expensive.

04:44

96% of cases in the UK, in the US, sorry, go without that.

04:49

It’s an 11 billion market that’s there for going into.

04:55

I think the democratization piece is really, really important.

04:59

As I said, we’re a humanAI format.

05:02

And I think what’s really good to echo London Tech Week, the Prime Minister said, actually, we’re looking for human-centered AI.

05:09

We want AI to benefit people.

05:12

We’re staring down the barrel of the gun with AI taking jobs away, entry-level jobs for people.

05:19

So our view is if we can make human-centered AI accessible and help humans be better humans, because EQ skills are more important than hard skills.

05:28

Yeah, I love that.

05:30

I really wanted to have this conversation today.

05:31

Okay, before I let you go, what’s been your biggest aha moment or standout moment?

05:35

You obviously mentioned the poet earlier.

05:36

Any other standout moments or a big aha moment for you?

05:39

Well, discovering you.

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I was just going to the bathroom, walked past, thought, oh, this looks interesting.

05:47

And just looking at your LinkedIn feeds, I mean, well done.

05:51

I mean, you know, you’ve created this vehicle.

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It’s incredible.

05:55

And forYou know, a start-up like ourselves and new to the sector, we’ve pivoted into the sector.

06:01

Just being able to connect with your network is fantastic.

06:05

And well done.

06:06

I appreciate it.

06:06

No, thank you.

06:07

And you know, we’re very community first.

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We’re trying to build a kinder, more collaborative, future-focused community.

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So we want to have these conversations and spotlight people actually producing interesting, helpful things for the broader, wider public and the world of law.

06:18

So it just leaves me to say, thanks so much for coming on the show.

06:20

Where can people find out more about you and what you’re getting up to?

06:23

So you can find us at adapt.com.

06:24

So A hyphen.

06:26

or go to testmywitness.com, which is our US product.

06:31

Thank you.

06:32

Perfect.

06:32

Well, Matthew, thanks so much once again for joining me on the Legally Speaking Podcast, but from all of us over and out.

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